Visit CDNOW for The Specials Discography The Specials' On-line Community
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   RegisterRegister   ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Information Roddy song dropped from Deluxe More Specials C.D.

Post new topic Reply to topic
TheSpecials2.com Forum Index » Roddy "Radiation" Byers  Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next 
View previous topic :: View next topic
AuthorMessage
Jett Rink
Special


Joined: 19 Mar 2012
Posts: 768
Location: Bognor Regis
Post subject: Roddy song dropped from Deluxe More Specials C.D. Reply with quote
"Bragging and Trying not too Lie" not include on New Deluxe More Specials C.D?
Originally a free single with Album , but Nevilles B-side of that single is included Confused
PostPosted:
Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:49 am
Top of PageView user's profileSend private message
phil wright
Special


Joined: 19 Jun 2006
Posts: 537
Location: sutton coldfield
Post subject: Reply with quote
That's just not on Jett. I have the single which came free with More Specials. Its a great song and should have been included. I can't think of any reason for not including it.
PostPosted:
Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:50 am
Top of PageView user's profileSend private message
Harry
Too Hot


Joined: 03 Jan 2009
Posts: 1635
Location: London
Post subject: Reply with quote
There's a compilation CD that you can still buy that has every single B Side and instrumental ("Stereotypes As and Bs"). When it came out Jerry said in an interview with Uncut that he wasn't happy with the compilation. In his view it was too "trainspotter like" to be so completest. This time round he got to have a say in the design and tracklisting. I would have liked it if he'd including the Costello version of Nelson Mandela that was performed on The Tube - but I was pleased to see it get so many rave reviews.
Most agree that some of Roddy's tunes and lyrics are up there with the band's best moments but "Bragging and Trying" was never a stage favourite, a fan's favourite, a critic's favourite. To me the song seems to be the opposite of what the band were about.
On Facebook someone complained about the new photos (which I think are great). I guess you can never please all the Specials fans all of the time.
_________________
I got one art O'level it did nothing for me
PostPosted:
Mon Apr 13, 2015 1:27 pm
Top of PageView user's profileSend private message
Hugh
Too Hot


Joined: 02 Apr 2004
Posts: 13749
Location: New Westminster, BC Canada
Post subject: Reply with quote

_________________
There's still nothing wrong with it!
PostPosted:
Mon Apr 13, 2015 4:07 pm
Top of PageView user's profileSend private messageSend e-mail
parkedcars
Ska Face
Ska Face


Joined: 19 Sep 2008
Posts: 153
Post subject: Reply with quote
I've always loved the song. The fact that it doesn't fit with anything else the band recorded is what makes it a perfect Specials track.

Another slice of unpredictable magic.
PostPosted:
Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:05 pm
Top of PageView user's profileSend private message
Fester
Too Hot


Joined: 25 Aug 2008
Posts: 1757
Location: Dublin
Post subject: Reply with quote
It was a strange omission ... if it warranted being a Bonus Track first time around then I can't see why it should not have been included now.

Would be very sad to think that this was a personal issue on Jerry's behalf.

I think "churlish" was the word Mojo used describing it being left out in their review.

Had to look it up and it says "rude in a mean-spirited and surly way".
PostPosted:
Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:43 am
Top of PageView user's profileSend private message
Trojan
Too Hot


Joined: 25 Aug 2002
Posts: 2412
Location: Area 3
Post subject: Reply with quote
Fester wrote:
It was a strange omission ... if it warranted being a Bonus Track first time around then I can't see why it should not have been included now.

Would be very sad to think that this was a personal issue on Jerry's behalf.

I think "churlish" was the word Mojo used describing it being left out in their review.

Had to look it up and it says "rude in a mean-spirited and surly way".



I think it's just indicative of how little thought went into these releases.

I'm also suprised that no one has mentioned that the b-sides of Jungle Music aren't on the In the Studio re-hash.
_________________
Richard Eddington is innocent.

http://2-tone.info/
PostPosted:
Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:51 am
Top of PageView user's profileSend private message
Fester
Too Hot


Joined: 25 Aug 2008
Posts: 1757
Location: Dublin
Post subject: Reply with quote
Well Jerry apparently had final say on the track listing ??
PostPosted:
Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:16 pm
Top of PageView user's profileSend private message
Harry
Too Hot


Joined: 03 Jan 2009
Posts: 1635
Location: London
Post subject: Reply with quote
parkedcars wrote:
I've always loved the song. The fact that it doesn't fit with anything else the band recorded is what makes it a perfect Specials track.

Another slice of unpredictable magic.


But what is it you love about the actual song?
Are there any lyrics you like, does the tune grab you, do you think it's sung well, do you think it's an interesting idea for a song?
When you say "unpredictable magic" it sounds like you're talking about something by Kraftwerk, Sun Ra, or Brian Eno.
In 1981 there seemed to be dozens of acts like Dave Edmonds, Stray Cats, Status Quo, Alvin Stardust,Match Box, Rocky & The Replays, Amazing Darts, Shakin Stevens etc etc "Bragging and Trying Not To Lie" sounds like a rough demo for a band of that ilk. If you ran a record label and got sent that tape on a song would you sign them up?
_________________
I got one art O'level it did nothing for me
PostPosted:
Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:32 pm
Top of PageView user's profileSend private message
mr ghost
Gangster
Gangster


Joined: 08 Mar 2010
Posts: 333
Post subject: Reply with quote
i think its a great little song

as for it non inclusion..that was stupid, especially as a live version of your wondering now is on it, and that should have been on the 1st albums track list..
in fact these rereleases are not all that intresting to me personally..
just buy stereotypical a/bs, that was a top release..

considering the mysterous apperance of rat race dub and sock jb dub,
i get the feeling jerrys hanging on to some unreleased stuff, for his pension. what happened to the special aka rumoured track female chavinist pig.

but braggin should have been on that cd. and if anyone bumps into jerry, they should ask him why it isnt..
_________________
www.soundcloud.com/theatreofghosts
http://www.mixcloud.com/kevinSanderson/
https://www.youtube.com/user/theatreofghost
PostPosted:
Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:14 pm
Top of PageView user's profileSend private message
Trojan
Too Hot


Joined: 25 Aug 2002
Posts: 2412
Location: Area 3
Post subject: Reply with quote
Fester wrote:
Well Jerry apparently had final say on the track listing ??


Does anyone know exactly how much he was involved with these releases? Were they something the record company put together and then passed on to him for his approval or was he involved during the entire process?

Either way they are a major disappointment.
_________________
Richard Eddington is innocent.

http://2-tone.info/
PostPosted:
Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:04 pm
Top of PageView user's profileSend private message
phil wright
Special


Joined: 19 Jun 2006
Posts: 537
Location: sutton coldfield
Post subject: Reply with quote
It was part of a free single given away with the original More Specials and should have been included.
PostPosted:
Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:00 pm
Top of PageView user's profileSend private message
kennybacon
Special


Joined: 04 May 2009
Posts: 867
Location: Barrow
Post subject: Reply with quote
I am losing track of who has a grudge against who amongst the original 7
_________________
Bernie Rhodes Knows - Dont Argue
PostPosted:
Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:23 am
Top of PageView user's profileSend private message
Jett Rink
Special


Joined: 19 Mar 2012
Posts: 768
Location: Bognor Regis
Post subject: Reply with quote
I think all Roddys songs should be dropped
Concrete Jungle, Rat Race , Hey Little Rich Girl , Holiday Forthnight
none of them are as good as Jerry Dammers songs
PostPosted:
Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:34 pm
Top of PageView user's profileSend private message
Hugh
Too Hot


Joined: 02 Apr 2004
Posts: 13749
Location: New Westminster, BC Canada
Post subject: Reply with quote
Have some cheese
_________________
There's still nothing wrong with it!
PostPosted:
Sun Apr 19, 2015 7:58 am
Top of PageView user's profileSend private messageSend e-mail
done donald
Ska Face
Ska Face


Joined: 11 Jul 2009
Posts: 200
Location: Culmore
Post subject: Reply with quote
Jett Rink wrote:
I think all Roddys songs should be dropped
Concrete Jungle, Rat Race , Hey Little Rich Girl , Holiday Forthnight
none of them are as good as Jerry Dammers songs


I think The Specials should have done 'Why Argue With Fate' as part of the setlist. They should also have done Friday Night Saturday Morning they way Terry says it was intended, with just vocal and piano - given that Jerry changed those songs to suit his vision.

I love Braggin' - always have done since I first heard it - but is there any chance you could post the lyrics somewhere Roddy - I can work out most of it, but there are bits that are just beyond me no matter how often I listen to it

Jim
_________________
It’s A Wonderful Life. It’s a wonderful film, but the more I watch it the more I want Potter to succeed. Not least when that lot up the road come out into the street every New Year’s Eve, drunk on Ptolemy’s hock, hugging each other and going “Hee-haw, hee-haw”…
PostPosted:
Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:38 pm
Top of PageView user's profileSend private message
inlikeflynn
Gangster
Gangster


Joined: 07 Feb 2007
Posts: 439
Location: Exeter
Post subject: Racist Friend without Radiation ? Reply with quote
Hmm, it is not the only glaring slight at Roddy's contributions... has anyone noticed that his guitar credit on Racist Friend has vanished on the deluxe CD version of In The Studio... not nice methinks !!!!
PostPosted:
Tue May 05, 2015 4:42 pm
Top of PageView user's profileSend private message
Harry
Too Hot


Joined: 03 Jan 2009
Posts: 1635
Location: London
Post subject: Reply with quote
Do they list all the many musicians who contributed to one or two tracks on In The Studio?
I know that on the original album that came out in the 1980s every single person is listed. When the CD version came out they mentioned the 8 band members, 4 singers and a sax player. It doesn't mention that Dave Wakeling and Ranking Roger sing on Nelson Mandela or that Elvis Costello produced it or Paul Speare played the tin whistle etc etc. It's misleading to imply Roddy alone has been written out of the picture because of a vendetta.

Jerry's main involvement seems to have been to have got Chalkie Davies to dig out never seen before photos of the band inc Roddy but no one wants to talk about that.

On the first Specialized double CD there are covers of pretty much everything but there's no Bragging and Trying Not To Lie - do Roddy obsessives believe Paul Willo is part of some evil conspiracy too? What dark deeds hide behind "Bragging" being dropped by the compilers of The Specialized CD
_________________
I got one art O'level it did nothing for me
PostPosted:
Tue May 05, 2015 5:08 pm
Top of PageView user's profileSend private message
Sugarman
Too Hot


Joined: 10 Dec 2008
Posts: 6061
Location: Sun Valley
Post subject: Reply with quote
Braggin' And Tryin' Not To Lie is available on the original first issue of More Specials UK CD (1989) Smile

http://2-tone.info/2tone.pl?display471
_________________
I'm having bags of fun
PostPosted:
Wed May 06, 2015 10:37 am
Top of PageView user's profileSend private message
Sugarman
Too Hot


Joined: 10 Dec 2008
Posts: 6061
Location: Sun Valley
Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm guessing the reason Braggin' And Tryin' Not To Lie wasn't included on More Specials deluxe edition is because It's available as a free single with the vinyl lp reissued last year?

I blame Warner music, not Jerry Dammers Smile

http://www.amazon.co.uk/More-Specials-VINYL-The/dp/B00IMHBHIW/ref=mb_oe_l
_________________
I'm having bags of fun
PostPosted:
Wed May 06, 2015 10:46 am
Top of PageView user's profileSend private message
Display posts from previous:   
All times are GMT
Post new topic Reply to topic
TheSpecials2.com Forum Index » Roddy "Radiation" Byers Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next 

Jump to:  
Key
  You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

Feedback 
 © 1997 - 2011 :: website by miles

Community powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group :: Theme & Graphics by Daz