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Would have been his birthday today. A legend & huge influence on so many of us Smile
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I can’t say I’m huge fan of The Clash. Their first album was great, but they also put out a load of drivel. Sandinista is just bloated and self-indulgent, while cut Cut the Crap is…well…just crap.

John Lydon once said that Joe Strummer came across as someone who read a lot of political books which he really didn’t understand, which I think is a fair enough assessment.

Still, he was a great front man and it’s always a shame when someone dies so young.
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Trojan wrote:
I can’t say I’m huge fan of The Clash. Their first album was great, but they also put out a load of drivel. Sandinista is just bloated and self-indulgent, while cut Cut the Crap is…well…just crap.

John Lydon once said that Joe Strummer came across as someone who read a lot of political books which he really didn’t understand, which I think is a fair enough assessment.

Still, he was a great front man and it’s always a shame when someone dies so young.


Agreed - not to speak ill, but his reputation certainly wasn't tarnished by passing away before his time.

Always thought of the Clash as a hairs breadth from a U2 type outfit towards the end.

John Lydon will always be the beacon from my more punky days, along with Poly Styrene, Pete Shelley, Paul Weller and the likes.
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Strummer was 10 years older than me so in 77 he seemed really old, though he wasn’t that old really. I think hopping on the punk thing was his last chance at fame and he knew it. He and Mick Jones should have been honest in 76/77 about how much they wanted to be rock stars. For me the story and mythology of the Clash is more interesting than the music but there is a handful of tracks I love. In the period 77-79 they got more music press coverage than any other band. The book ‘Last Gang in Town’ by Marcus Gray is brilliant apart from the forensic detail he goes into about what each member did when The Clash finished. If there had been no Clash maybe no Specials either.
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If there had been no Clash maybe no Specials either.


There were several people like John Peel of whom it could be said - they gave The Specials their big break.
Jerry wrote Gangsters on Joe's guitar and (I think) Lynval has dedicated awards to Strummer so definitely Joe is the Top 5 of the people who helped The Specials make it big.
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The Clash have always had this myth about them. I do agree with another poster that the music isnt as good as its cracked up to be. They did produce some great tracks dont get me wrong. But the London calling album I feel is remembered more for its iconic cover than some of the songs on it. As for Sandinista its just a very drawn out dull affair for the most part. Cut the crap minus Mick Jones was crap. Having said all this they are still a very influential band even for some of the groups of today.
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bluearmy78 wrote:
The Clash have always had this myth about them. I do agree with another poster that the music isnt as good as its cracked up to be. They did produce some great tracks dont get me wrong. But the London calling album I feel is remembered more for its iconic cover than some of the songs on it. As for Sandinista its just a very drawn out dull affair for the most part. Cut the crap minus Mick Jones was crap. Having said all this they are still a very influential band even for some of the groups of today.


I too wouldn't deny the influence of The Clash, I would however question the question the substance behind them. A great front man, but take away all the duff material they recorded they had perhaps a total of 2 good long players worth of quality songs throughout their career.

London Calling sums the band up perfectly. Great presentation (even though the sleeve is based on Elvis Presley's first album!), but only a handful of good tracks to back it up.
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I would disagree strongly about London Calling not being great.

Taking the original album, the first 3 sides are nothing short of exceptional. Faultless musical gold. It's not the 100 miles an hour, angry explosion of the previous records - it's almost mature in comparison, but it's songwriting straight from the top drawer.

Side 4 was always harder to get into, and in its original vinyl form, I never really did. I don't however think there's a single second of filler on sides 1, 2 or 3. I've come to appreciate what was originally side 4 in later life a little bit more, maybe.

It's a towering work of great beauty to my ears Smile
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I'm a bit "meh" about London Calling now. In fact only "The Clash" would be on my desert island albums. From London calling:

London Calling
Jimmy Jazz
Wrong 'Em Boyo (a cover)
Rudie Can't Fail
Revolution Rock (a cover)

Could happily not listen to the rest - don't annoy me but have lost a lot of appeal over the years....especially recently, just sounds dated.

Each to their own of course, but I think there is a lot more chaff than wheat.....and I used to love it even up to a year or two ago.
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I think the first album was superb too, and the second is also (although not as much as either The Clash or London Calling).

Sandinista is often great but not always perfect.

Combat Rock is commercial but still very listenable.

Cut The Crap is (as Trojan said) crap (although I do love This Is England).

It's the first 4 albums for which they should be remembered. Forever. Although they're probably the most critically acclaimed of the punk bands, they're still not without their critics; middle class, arty, pretentious blah blah blah - personally I've no time for any of those arguments Smile

But despite everything I've just said - they're still not as good as The Damned!
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But despite everything I've just said - they're still not as good as The Damned!


If you want loud blaring punk rock, with absolutely zero pretence, then the early stuff by The Damned is hard to beat.
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For me Paul Simonon was always the cool one in the Clash Very Happy
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I like The Clash but not all sets the world alight and doing Specialized 4 ,The Clash as its theme, has been great to see what people do with their versions. Something im very sure Joe would like to hear and incidentally we have a member of The Damned on the album ( playing with a Special).
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Paul Willo wrote:
I like The Clash but not all sets the world alight and doing Specialized 4 ,The Clash as its theme, has been great to see what people do with their versions. Something im very sure Joe would like to hear and incidentally we have a member of The Damned on the album ( playing with a Special).


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Can't believe I'm reading Clash slating on a Specials forum!

Some of their achievements:

- Defining the sound of punk rock, as opposed to the pseudo-metal dirge of the Pistols, or the how-fast-can-we-go of early Damned. Later punk bands sounded like the Clash, not any of the other pioneers;

- Completing the connection of reggae to punk, by actually playing some;

- Getting rid of punk snobbery, by embracing other genres;

- Breaking the connection between punk and fascism, started by the swastika-wearers;

I think some of you might have forgotten what it was like when you first heard White Riot. Yeah, some tunes sound dated, but that's cos they are!
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PollyTheWasp wrote:
Can't believe I'm reading Clash slating on a Specials forum!

Some of their achievements:

- Defining the sound of punk rock, as opposed to the pseudo-metal dirge of the Pistols, or the how-fast-can-we-go of early Damned. Later punk bands sounded like the Clash, not any of the other pioneers;

- Completing the connection of reggae to punk, by actually playing some;

- Getting rid of punk snobbery, by embracing other genres;

- Breaking the connection between punk and fascism, started by the swastika-wearers;

I think some of you might have forgotten what it was like when you first heard White Riot. Yeah, some tunes sound dated, but that's cos they are!


Yes, but they weren't really that good. Of to a flying start and then downhill from there. Overrated is the word which springs to mind.

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Give me the Pistols over The Clash any day.
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l agree The Pistols every day over The Clash. Some of The Clash stuff just wasnt very good. Simples. Smile
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Can't say that John Lydon is an intellectual hero, except to the more simple.
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Hugh wrote:
Can't say that John Lydon is an intellectual hero, except to the more simple.


For all of Lydon's faults he never really suffered from foot in mouth to the extent Joe Strummer did.
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Hugh wrote:
Can't say that John Lydon is an intellectual hero, except to the more simple.


Nobody said he was - stick that in your straw man argument and smoke it Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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