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Nice I will read the review later, I bought the book a while ago over 100 pages on 2-Tone Smile
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Nice I will read the review later, I bought the book a while ago over 100 pages on 2-Tone Smile


And it's the best 100 pages you will read about the label.
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Thanks guys, will definitely be buying the book. Sad to hear that a lot of the 2 Tone bands were nowhere near as united as I had imagined, but I've always been a dreamer!!
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Looks like a book I need to read.
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I can't recommend it enough. I've already read it twice.

It's a shame that music now has lost the ability to take a stance on any relevant matter. Indifference seems to be the order of the day.
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Great stuff, I'd almost given up on reading anything 'new' on 2-Tone at this stage. I bought it before Christmas but haven't opened it yet., must do soon
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Had the pleasure of being in a talk with the author Daniel Rachel and Pauline Black at the Laugharne festival today, a few hours after Daniel had been awarded the Penderyn Music Book Prize... Congratulations Daniel and thanks for signing my book!
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I can't recommend it enough. I've already read it twice.

It's a shame that music now has lost the ability to take a stance on any relevant matter. Indifference seems to be the order of the day.


Looks like that's my next read.
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I have been to every Waterstones on the South coast of Sussex and Kent, but no book, same goes for the book of David Rodigan
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I have been to every Waterstones on the South coast of Sussex and Kent, but no book, same goes for the book of David Rodigan


It's readily available from those tax dodging bastards, Amazon. A few Market Place sellers on there are doing it for just over half price as well.
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I can't recommend it enough. I've already read it twice.

It's a shame that music now has lost the ability to take a stance on any relevant matter. Indifference seems to be the order of the day.


I ordered it today from my local library, much belatedly.

I think young British musicians of today are much more reluctant to declare their allegiances and views through music, i.e. if they've any political views at all. Could be due to a variety of reasons; for one, things are less black and white than in the 70s and 80s, so there's seemingly no identifiable enemy to rail against. A lot of the social changes that each of the movements campaigned for have been achieved.

Also, people in the public eye are far more scrutinised in what they say, and they can be quite easily accused of being offensive.

We've been having what looks like a resurgence of Red Wedge and the like with the Labour Live stuff. The major difference is that movements of years gone by came from the musicians, and young musicians at that - whereas the more recent rallying behind Corbyn by musicians is really something created by the politicians.
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" for one, things are less black and white than in the 70s and 80s, so there's seemingly no identifiable enemy to rail against. A lot of the social changes that each of the movements campaigned for have been achieved. " ...........
Really .........................................................................................
There is a commonly held view - ....................................................
10 years of austerity with drastic cuts to public services which affect the poorest in society the most, to prop up the banks greed rather than make the richest in society and the biggest companies pay their fair share of tax because they fund the tory party, the gap between the rich and poor has widened, the majority of wealth is held by a relatively small number of people, universal credit in public we are to believe it is designed to save a very small percentage of the costs of the benefit system but it reality its designed to dissuade those in real need from accessing benefits they are entitled to by purposely designing the system to be complex and building in delays, the continuing rise in the use of food banks, Grenfell, the NHS crisis, knife crime, Trump will end the world - the list goes on and on and on and the poorest and weakest in society - those on the bottom rung of the ladder are being dropped back into some sort of dickensian society where they dont matter - they are collaterall damage in the plans of the rich. .......................Then there is the EDL and britain first .
"Also, people in the public eye are far more scrutinised in what they say, and they can be quite easily accused of being offensive." .................................. You should follow the DUP who are propping up the tories and who many believe are hell bent on making a society based on inequality.
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(I deleted an earlier response, sorry if anyone was replying to it)

I actually see a lot of the social problems we have as being the product of the failure of both parties. Much less of a 'left vs right' thing, and in recent years the difference between those two opposing sides has blurred.

In speaking of music - well, popular music in general isn't at the top of the pecking order of British youth culture as it was in the 1970s/80s, and political music even less so as a result of that. This is another reason why we've had a decrease of politic-inspired music in the mainstream, as well as some of the issues of concern changing, probably more personal than political nowadays.
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bombscare79 wrote:
You should follow the DUP who are propping up the tories and who many believe are hell bent on making a society based on inequality.


Isn't that (inequality) the very essence of Conservatism? As for the DUP and inequality,…where do you even begin? When May signed that deal, she must have known that she was getting into bed with the West’s answer to the Taliban.

At the risk of repeating myself the only band that have taken a stand and are speaking up (plus have obtained a degree of sucess) are the Sleaford Mods.
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Trojan wrote:
bombscare79 wrote:
You should follow the DUP who are propping up the tories and who many believe are hell bent on making a society based on inequality.


Isn't that (inequality) the very essence of Conservatism? As for the DUP and inequality,…where do you even begin? When May signed that deal, she must have known that she was getting into bed with the West’s answer to the Taliban.

At the risk of repeating myself the only band that have taken a stand and are speaking up (plus have obtained a degree of sucess) are the Sleaford Mods.

Agree but i think the DUP are more than a nose in front of the conservatives in the race to inequality.............................................................................
Imani i fully agree with most of your points but i think labour and tories now are not the love in of the Blair era but you are right when you say the young are interested in other things rather than inequality, politics and society.
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Imani i fully agree with most of your points but i think labour and tories now are not the love in of the Blair era but you are right when you say the young are interested in other things rather than inequality, politics and society.


Hi Bombscare, I see the problems caused by conservatism, though I'm also wary of political false dawns, having seen a few of them throughout the years.

Thinking in terms of the movements: I couldn't really comment on RAR but the other two I saw. As political as 2 Tone was, the politics never took precedent over the music, the entertainment. With Red Wedge, by aligning themselves overtly with a party, the politics overwhelmed the music.
If we can learn anything from those times, I suppose there has to be a balance of the two.

31.06 to 32.40 Mick Talbot & Paul Weller talk about their involvement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxsQRm4fJho
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bombscare79 wrote:

Imani i fully agree with most of your points but i think labour and tories now are not the love in of the Blair era but you are right when you say the young are interested in other things rather than inequality, politics and society.


Hi Bombscare, I see the problems caused by conservatism, though I'm also wary of political false dawns, having seen a few of them throughout the years.

Thinking in terms of the movements: I couldn't really comment on RAR but the other two I saw. As political as 2 Tone was, the politics never took precedent over the music, the entertainment. With Red Wedge, by aligning themselves overtly with a party, the politics overwhelmed the music.
If we can learn anything from those times, I suppose there has to be a balance of the two.

31.06 to 32.40 Mick Talbot & Paul Weller talk about their involvement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxsQRm4fJho


Ah Paul Weller.... a man who spent a lifetime rallying against the British class system and the sends his own children to the very pillars of that same system: public schools. What a fucking toss-pot.
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Ah Paul Weller.... a man who spent a lifetime rallying against the British class system and the sends his own children to the very pillars of that same system: public schools. What a fucking toss-pot.


Has he ever mentioned this in interviews, Trojan? I don't know - perspective can change once a person gets older, has children, oh and more disposable income. Maybe he just wanted his kids to have a better school experience than he did. Though apparently his son rebelled against the schooling, and Weller was quite proud of it. Paradoxes. Smile

I'll say this - I'm 70 pages into the book, and it's excellent!
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Trojan wrote:

Ah Paul Weller.... a man who spent a lifetime rallying against the British class system and the sends his own children to the very pillars of that same system: public schools. What a fucking toss-pot.


Has he ever mentioned this in interviews, Trojan? I don't know - perspective can change once a person gets older, has children, oh and more disposable income. Maybe he just wanted his kids to have a better school experience than he did. Though apparently his son rebelled against the schooling, and Weller was quite proud of it. Paradoxes. Smile

I'll say this - I'm 70 pages into the book, and it's excellent!


He is mentioned alright.

When I ask what he spends his money on he rolls his eyes. 'School fees…' He had qualms about it at first, but all his children have been educated at private schools. Where he lives is not exactly the worst part of London, he says, but the local comprehensives were never an option. 'I don't want my kids coming home speaking like Ali G - I'm just not having it.'

Looks like the working class are OK as long as his children don't have to mix with them.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/3673286/Paul-Weller-changing-man.html

In a Guardian interview he talks about being 'proper knackered'. Maybe if he wants his children to speak better English he should look closer to home?
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