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There's now a chance that Labour will back a second referendum. Let's have a Specials Survey....

If you were asked to vote tomorrow would you vote to REMAIN in the E.U. or to LEAVE the E.U. ?

I'd vote: REMAIN
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Europe was the downfall of Thatcher, Major and Cameron, who foolishly thought Nigel Farage was a serious threat (his seven attempts to gain a seat in Westminster should have said it all). And soon Theresa May will be out on her arse over it.

Neither Leave or Remain camps mentioned the Irish border in their respective campaigns which beggars belief. I mean it's not like there is no history there?

If people think leaving the EU will cause problems for Britain it's nothing to the complete shit storm anything even resembling a physical border on the island of Ireland will cause. Having lived through it once I have no desire to condemn future generations to violence on this island.

Oh and by the way, I'd Vote Remain.
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Remain for me
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Leave.


I've had a gutful of this fannying about. We voted leave. We had a democratic vote.

The sooner this farce is over the sooner we can start re-building.
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chemode wrote:
Leave.


I've had a gutful of this fannying about. We voted leave. We had a democratic vote.

The sooner this farce is over the sooner we can start re-building.


Re building what exactly? The Empire?

The UK is the 5th largest economy in the world. It accomplished this by being a member of the EU.

I'll agree with you that the whole process is a farce, but that is only because it is such a device issue. Even the Leave side can't agree what exactly it means.
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I would vote for Remain, I'm Irish so I would have a biased view regarding the border with the North of Ireland and I have no desire to return to the troubles.
I have been following it (like the majority of people here) and read about it every day, out of curiosity people on here who did vote for leave (as was your right) what were your reasons for doing so?
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Trojan wrote:
chemode wrote:
Leave.


I've had a gutful of this fannying about. We voted leave. We had a democratic vote.

The sooner this farce is over the sooner we can start re-building.


Re building what exactly? The Empire?

The UK is the 5th largest economy in the world. It accomplished this by being a member of the EU.

I'll agree with you that the whole process is a farce, but that is only because it is such a device issue. Even the Leave side can't agree what exactly it means.


I'm an optimist - I'm hoping we can rebuild our industry, our exports and increase the job market. I'm hoping we can end homelessness, get rid of food banks and stop kids going to school hungry. I'm hoping we can get farmers earning a decent wage that stops them selling off land for houses that the poorer in society can't afford. I'm hoping that my kids are able to enter a job market that is fair and doesn't require zero hour contracts.

I'm hoping we leave and that we can accomplish these ideals.
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That really is very optimistic indeed Chemode.
Winston Churchill (who I think help set up the E.U) believed that:
“A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.”

Anyway...
So far the results of The Specials Fans Referendum is Remain: 4, Leave: 1
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chemode wrote:


I'm an optimist - I'm hoping we can rebuild our industry, our exports and increase the job market. I'm hoping we can end homelessness, get rid of food banks and stop kids going to school hungry. I'm hoping we can get farmers earning a decent wage that stops them selling off land for houses that the poorer in society can't afford. I'm hoping that my kids are able to enter a job market that is fair and doesn't require zero hour contracts.

I'm hoping we leave and that we can accomplish these ideals.


I too admire your optimism, but surely getting shot of the Tory government would achieve those aims?

And on your last point. Two EU laws which were introduced:

•The Working Time Directive: Giving workers the right to a minimum holiday entitlement each year and limiting the working week to 48 hours;

John Major opted the UK out of the above. Labour reinstated it.

•The Temporary Agency Workers Directive: Seeking to give equal rights to agency employees and permanent employees carrying out the same job within a business;

I'm not saying that the EU is some sort of progressive force. Far from it, but sometimes you are better inside the tent pissing out......
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Hope this article will help some of my UK friends get some perspective on the Irish position.


https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/brexit/2019/02/how-britain-s-dark-history-ireland-haunts-brexit?fbclid=IwAR1ZdrLEXzesTpWVzXPE1Ao4q20IQz4AWqIXHBharFKK273JR7fKl5AbNl4




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Great article Fester, fair play for posting..... a harrowing line in it reads....“Judgment of God,” he continued, “sent the calamity to teach the Irish a lesson, that calamity must not be too much mitigated… The real evil with which we have to contend is not the physical evil of the Famine, but the moral evil of the selfish, perverse and turbulent character of the [Irish] people.”
Fucking shocking.....
I've spent a fair amount of time in the UK and I found it unreal in conversations with people what they learnt in schools regarding the history of the UK and Ireland.
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Anyone who voted to leave, voted for Farage and UKIP.

They sided with the racists, the xenophobes, the gammons (although that name hadn't been coined at that point), the Uber-Tories, Tommy Robinson, the EDL, Britain First etc.
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tank wrote:
Great article Fester, fair play for posting..... a harrowing line in it reads....“Judgment of God,” he continued, “sent the calamity to teach the Irish a lesson, that calamity must not be too much mitigated… The real evil with which we have to contend is not the physical evil of the Famine, but the moral evil of the selfish, perverse and turbulent character of the [Irish] people.”
Fucking shocking.....
I've spent a fair amount of time in the UK and I found it unreal in conversations with people what they learnt in schools regarding the history of the UK and Ireland.


Maybe not so shocking after all:

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/ive-been-told-to-off-back-to-ireland-northern-ireland-man-living-in-england-speaks-of-abuse-since-brexit-37955804.html
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I saw that scumbag Farage launched his latest racist party in Cov today.

It's not a massive surprise, the city that gave us the band that defined unity and then division, voting overwhelmingly to leave.

Bug eyed toad looking tosser.
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Check this out.Numb nuts Farage didnt register his own party's web site-Thebrexitparty.com so a group called 'Led by donkeys' did and they have been following him around encouraging his supporters to check what they think is his website. They also have quotes from hard line brexiteers which are the opposite of what they say now-and they have them on bill boards plastered across the uk and projected these images onto the EU parliament and the white cliffs of dover last week. https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys
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Farage is a particularly loathsome creature. He hates the EU so much he has said he will accept his MEP pension, which is a mere £73000 per year. His reason? 'Why should my family suffer?"

Worlds fail me.
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- did anyone else hold their breath?
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With Trump on the White House and the likelihood of Boris in Numer 10 I think the next thing will be a plague of locus and the killing of first borns.
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Trojan wrote:
With Trump on the White House and the likelihood of Boris in Numer 10 I think the next thing will be a plague of locus and the killing of first borns.

No kidding it is all looking a bit too Biblical to me - people are really jumpy here Trojan - it reminds me of the days in London where you had to check under the car before you drove away - no backpacks allowed in most of the buildings I go to.
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Remain,

So I hope Boris gets the leadership. He helped get us into this mess, so hopefully getting into Number 10 will kill his fkn career!!

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