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At the beginning of June, when BLM & Antifa stepped to inflame an already volatile situation, I was reminded of a blog piece I'd read in 2014, written by the African American musician Nicholas Payton. Unfortunately the site it was originally published on is long since defunct, but his response then remains timely:

WHY ARE WE STILL IN THE STREETS?

'Why are we in the streets getting shot with rubber bullets and tear gassed? How long are we going to stay out there? Until Darren Wilson is charged, or until there is justice for Black America? Why are we so easily provoked by the same story time and again to the same end? It will not bring back the lives of the murdered. Marching on the government is an antiquated thing of the past. Weíve done that already and weíre still here. Theyíre repealing the same laws we marched for 50 years ago and weíre out in the street again.'

'No human being is capable of serving justice. No government department is capable of serving justice. Marching on the police for use of excessive force does nothing but give them license to use more excessive force. Donít play that game. You canít win. It will only result in more dead, Black bodies. You are worth more to Black America alive. Donít needlessly sacrifice yourself for a lost cause.'

'Support your community. Learn your history so we donít repeat the mistakes of the past. Donít react; take action. Itís what we do everyday that counts most. Vacillating between states of either survival mode or crisis mode is no way to live. If we did the daily maintenance that it requires to sustain a community, we wouldnít find ourselves doing damage control in situations of disquiet.'

'All of this railing against the system is bringing us nowhere and is expending energy that would be more useful in other spaces. Why do we keep fighting the oppressorís war, on the oppressorís terms, on the oppressorís turf? To continue to have your buttons pushed and getting agitated about the same thing year after year is not whatís up. This is getting us nowhere. In order for something different to happen, we have to do something different. When is it going to be time to be reflective and meditative and create from a calm, cool-headed state of mind?'

'A mass movement is not going to work. Be a movement of one by living the values you espouse. Be an asset to your community by investing in yourself daily to be the best you you can be. The only person youíre guaranteed to affect change within is you. You canít make your kids do anything. You canít make your family do anything. You should not waste your time appealing to anyone who refuses to accept you. They have the right to feel how they want about you, just like you have the right to feel whatever way about them.'

'Itís all energy. When you oscillate on a certain wavelength, you will attract other like-minded spirits who oscillate on that same wavelength. But as long as you continue to be sucked in by oppressive forces, it takes you out of your bandwidth and puts you in somebody elseís. The distraction of this media narrative is as destructive as any military-grade weaponry, tanks, bombs, or the like. The external battlefield is just the physical manifestation of the inward war. If you stay tuned, you donít have to be alarmed every time someone changes the channel.'

'To have peace in one place, there has to be war in another. ďPeaceĒ is just a piece of the story. If everything was good, nothing would be good. This isnít a race, itís a journey. Operating from a state of angst just creates more angst. Culture is our respite. The Blues is a cry of those silenced. Speak your native tongue, and if itís been taken from you, grow another one. There is no end to the wellspring of art that exists inside your soul. Those who have no soul have a right to be as they are. Donít trouble yourself trying to cultivate the spiritually challenged. Every moment away from nourishing your roots, your ancestry, is time you canít get back.'

'Be like the drum who sings when beaten. Be like the owl which hoots in the night. Mourn like the river, and rise like the sun. The language of the ancestors reverberates like a constant vowel underneath the surface of this mirage of calamity. Tap in. They are speaking. Those notes unlock the mysteries of things seen and unseen. Those melodies are a gateway to freedom.'

'Colonialism is deafening. Donít let your hearing become eroded by the static and spastic rhythm of false societal constructs. The boots on the ground approach to resistance will get you a kick in the head. The real march is a step inwards. Burning buildings is one thing; igniting the fire between your eyes is another.'
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Hugh has the answers...
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Over the past month, more people saw how poisonous the woke movement is. Though having said that, they've played a few too many cards this time with their CHAZ commune, which isn't so different to Jonestown. Also all the statue destroying. If they were actually about creating a new and better culture, they'd have no need to destroy the old. However abhorrent the past was, it's there to be learnt from, and I'm suspicious of anyone who wants to remove it from memory under the cynical pretext of 'fighting racism'.
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Imani wrote:
Over the past month, more people saw how poisonous the woke movement is. Though having said that, they've played a few too many cards this time with their CHAZ commune, which isn't so different to Jonestown. Also all the statue destroying. If they were actually about creating a new and better culture, they'd have no need to destroy the old. However abhorrent the past was, it's there to be learnt from, and I'm suspicious of anyone who wants to remove it from memory under the cynical pretext of 'fighting racism'.


Please name some names. Who are you talking about? What old culture is being destroyed? Can you list three people you know who want to remove slavery from our memories?
In Germany children are taught about the holocaust and there's been a move to get colonialism and slavery taught in our schools. In Bristol the statue of a slave trader is being put in a museum and there's been talk of there being a new statue made of the local legend Paul Stephenson instead - what's wrong with that?
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Imani wrote:
Over the past month, more people saw how poisonous the woke movement is. Though having said that, they've played a few too many cards this time with their CHAZ commune, which isn't so different to Jonestown. Also all the statue destroying. If they were actually about creating a new and better culture, they'd have no need to destroy the old. However abhorrent the past was, it's there to be learnt from, and I'm suspicious of anyone who wants to remove it from memory under the cynical pretext of 'fighting racism'.


The statues in question should not be destroyed. They should be placed in museums and viewed as historical artifacts and a reminder that history is not always pretty. Having them remain on elevated plinths in prominent public places is just a reminder of how most of the subjects attempted to exonerated themselves from their past deeds usually by making large charitable donations to local causes.

Removing statues those who had questionable views is a waste of time. Abhorrent views on race, gender etc were common place a few decades back never mind hundreds of years ago. However, statues of those who were mass murders or made fortunes from human suffering well and truly belong in museums.
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A while ago when we were discussing Douglas Murray's 'Madness of Crowds' I recommended a book called, "Why I'm No Longer Talking to White People About Race" by Reni Eddo-Lodge.
The book came out 5 years ago but because people wanting to understand the Black Lives Matter movement were recommended this book it became a best seller. Renu Eddo-Lodge is the first black woman in this country to write a best selling book. This is a good thing.
On the 16th of June a ex police detective Bryn Male put on his Millwall T-shirt and went from his home in Hampshire to London to get drunk and shout "Fuck Black Lives Matter" when he fell over a Black Lives Matter Protester carried him to safety. The Daily Mail couldn't put a spin on this story and they wrote positive things about BLM's Patrick Hutchinson. This is a good thing.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8432939/White-activist-carried-safety-Black-Lives-Matter-protestor-retired-police-detective.html
Yesterday in the Evening Standard Emma Loffhagen wrote about how when she mentioned on twitter that she, a black woman, had received a first class degree from Cambridge she instantly got 100,000 likes and lots of messages from young black girls asking for advice. Loffhagen explains she applied after being given hope my finding out about a black woman on You Tube who had also gone to Cambridge ("you can only be what you see"). She also mentions how Stormzy is donating 50 % of his 20 million pound fortune to help BLM charities and scholarship schemes. These are good things. We don't want the U.K in 2020 to be a place where black households are twice as likely to live in poverty and twice as likely to be stopped by the police as their white counterparts and we don't want black people to think they have no chance of being accepted by this country's top universities.
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/how-i-beat-the-odds-at-cambridge-and-got-a-first-a4485656.html
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Trojan wrote:
Imani wrote:
Over the past month, more people saw how poisonous the woke movement is. Though having said that, they've played a few too many cards this time with their CHAZ commune, which isn't so different to Jonestown. Also all the statue destroying. If they were actually about creating a new and better culture, they'd have no need to destroy the old. However abhorrent the past was, it's there to be learnt from, and I'm suspicious of anyone who wants to remove it from memory under the cynical pretext of 'fighting racism'.


The statues in question should not be destroyed. They should be placed in museums and viewed as historical artifacts and a reminder that history is not always pretty. Having them remain on elevated plinths in prominent public places is just a reminder of how most of the subjects attempted to exonerated themselves from their past deeds usually by making large charitable donations to local causes.

Removing statues those who had questionable views is a waste of time. Abhorrent views on race, gender etc were common place a few decades back never mind hundreds of years ago. However, statues of those who were mass murders or made fortunes from human suffering well and truly belong in museums.


Museums would be better though my approach would be to ignore the public statues. Even in the city where I live, there are streets and areas that are named after individuals who were little more than land-grabbing tyrants who kicked people off their land and made them work for nothing. This was the case all over what we now call the UK. But I see no point in changing their names. If the wealthy want to have some reminders of their forebears then they can, and they always will. I'll just focus my attention on historical figures that I respect.
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Harry wrote:
A while ago when we were discussing Douglas Murray's 'Madness of Crowds' I recommended a book called, "Why I'm No Longer Talking to White People About Race" by Reni Eddo-Lodge.
The book came out 5 years ago but because people wanting to understand the Black Lives Matter movement were recommended this book it became a best seller. Renu Eddo-Lodge is the first black woman in this country to write a best selling book. This is a good thing.
On the 16th of June a ex police detective Bryn Male put on his Millwall T-shirt and went from his home in Hampshire to London to get drunk and shout "Fuck Black Lives Matter" when he fell over a Black Lives Matter Protester carried him to safety. The Daily Mail couldn't put a spin on this story and they wrote positive things about BLM's Patrick Hutchinson. This is a good thing.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8432939/White-activist-carried-safety-Black-Lives-Matter-protestor-retired-police-detective.html
Yesterday in the Evening Standard Emma Loffhagen wrote about how when she mentioned on twitter that she, a black woman, had received a first class degree from Cambridge she instantly got 100,000 likes and lots of messages from young black girls asking for advice. Loffhagen explains she applied after being given hope my finding out about a black woman on You Tube who had also gone to Cambridge ("you can only be what you see"). She also mentions how Stormzy is donating 50 % of his 20 million pound fortune to help BLM charities and scholarship schemes. These are good things. We don't want the U.K in 2020 to be a place where black households are twice as likely to live in poverty and twice as likely to be stopped by the police as their white counterparts and we don't want black people to think they have no chance of being accepted by this country's top universities.
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/how-i-beat-the-odds-at-cambridge-and-got-a-first-a4485656.html


When a person assists someone in genuine need, they do so out of an innate humanity. They don't need doctrines or rules from a group they belong to, to guide and put provisos upon their actions. Nor do they need identity labels and slogans to advertise those actions! If more political, quasi-political (e.g blm) or religious organisations understood this, there'd be no need for them.

If I won ten million on the Euro Lottery, I still wouldn't donate a penny to that organisation. It produced a mob full of flagellants who could do nothing more than destroy property and occupy that which wasn't theirs.

Nice that someone has got a degree. Shame that university education has become nothing more than a woke fast track. Hopefully that will change.
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"Nice that someone has got a degree. Shame that university education has become nothing more than a woke fast track. Hopefully that will change." .........Jesus What an utterly utterly reprehensible statement. So ALL university education just teaches students to be woke and nothing else? So should you cancel all Engineering medicine degrees. .......I have to think this is a wind up surely you couldnt be that daft could you? Woke? No, better informed to challenge the morally bankrupt in power
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